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Stewart Logan: The south-east top of Hods Hill seemed at least as high if not higher, as did further west along Green Hill above Wanlockhead.
Trevor Littlewood: Amazingly, Sue and I have found ourselves on this rather insignificant hill three times in a year. Firstly, coming from the N to the RHB top, foolishly neglecting to cross the wall to the S where the RHB update and TACit Tables give the true summit. Hence the second visit, from the south that time. The third ascent was accompanying a friend to the tops, having first been on Grayrigg Forest. We feel we're getting to know it quite well. As to the highest point: the OS 1:25000 map shows up to ten ring contours at 330m, none at 340m. Only three of these seem to be contenders to hold the highest point. A sharp ridgy thing lies within one of these, to the north of a long curve of wall and west of a minor tarn. This carries the cairn and corresponds to the original RHB listing at 338m. SE of that and on the other side of the wall is centred the largest of the ring contours, and the revised gridref for 339m is within this. Its highest area is a flat grassy sweep. I'd guess the high point to be a fraction NE of the new gridref, perhaps at SD587942. No cairn, no OS spot height. From here my impression was that the cairn was certainly lower. SE of this lies the third contending area. A wall rises from SE through that contour ring to meet the wall loop separating the other tops. Wise baggers will visit all three tops. Incidentally there's much intrusive activity in this area. On slopes to the south, a large new house has risen, also on the south of the A684 the quarry shown on the map is greatly enlarged. Most notably of all, SE of the summit area there now stand five wind generators, which will be well seen from the M6 as the Howgills are neared from the south.
Ken Whyte: Spent a wet week in the Yorkshire Dales in December with Roger Boswell, based at Askrigg. Being strangers to these parts it would seem to be a case of chasing the highest point between Birks Fell and Horse Head Moor before it moves again. We can certainly agree with Chris Watson and Chris Crocker that the 608m spot height on the 1:25000 map is not the highest point of Birks Fell. The summit looks to be in the area of the 610m spot height shown on the 1:50000 map, but whether this is higher than the 609m given for Horse Head Moor by both maps we could not be sure. Although the weather made our west highland climate feel positively Mediterranean, we achieved a complete clearance of OS sheets 91 and 98 and managed to take in Cold Fell on the way home.
Trevor Littlewood: The height given in RHB and TACit Tables is 334m (taken from the relevant contour ring). There's a trig which the latest 1:25000 Explorer map (217) gives as 334m, however that is certainly not at the highest point but somewhat SW of it. Above the trig Explorer 217 shows an elongated ring contour of 335m, so the summit has to be at least that, probably marginally higher. The highest spot is almost certainly occupied by a semi-ruinous tower, though a hideous tangle of impenetrable growth clothes the area immediately adjacent to it. Despite the vegetation, there are good paths up to the ridge and along it.
Hamish Brown: After a friend and I had a cross between a motor rally and a list-ticking day over Walbury Hill, Butser Hill, Black Down and Chanctonbury Hill, on the last my companion put a strong case for the trig not being the highest point. I had to agree really. The edge of the big ring appeared to be higher, and the planted centre of the ring is a few feet higher than the trig. It would give me great pleasure to have a move made to a bump on the South Downs.
Charles Knowles: Comments in Marhofn and purchase of a new Explorer map were helpful in trying to locate this elusive 'summit'. I was there on 14 May and found the latest suggested location, the back garden of a house called Bannockburn in Warren Road. This property was for sale through Halifax Property Services, Crowborough. Because the estate agent's office was closed I was not able to check whether the sales brochure mentioned this unique feature, and the fact that the owners were likely to have a steady flow of visitors. Not content with locating this property, I also searched for the triangulation column originally thought to be the Crowborough Marilyn (which is concealed behind a building at the foot of a communications aerial mast), and I climbed up onto the top of the covered reservoirs on the same site. Visually I reckon these are higher than the back garden of Bannockburn, so if adopting B3 of Gordon Adshead's ethics (Marhofn 49, p8) the reservoirs would be the location of the Marilyn and not Bannockburn's garden.
Gary Westwood: I can report that the summit house now has a 'sale agreed' banner across the 'for sale' sign. A pile of grass cuttings behind a gaggle of wheelie bins would appear to be the high point at present. Ah, the beautiful south! I'm counting this as a winter ascent as the top was covered in snow. The place does seem to have delusions of high-altitude grandeur though: within a few hundred metres of the top I noted a housing complex called Glencoe as well as an Aviemore Drive. The nearby trig point is easily gained by hopping over a low fence, and I agree with a previous note about the reservoir mounds being higher than the house in Warren Road. Of course this is all overtopped by the nearby telecoms mast.
Chris Pearson: I have been to this top twice and have failed to summit. The top was inside the water works compound with a trivial gate to climb over (ignoring the 'keep out' signs). Unfortunately by a stroke of bad luck the police were guarding the gate (actually they were doing a radar trap on speeding motorists). They appeared settled for the evening and, although I could no doubt have caught them unawares, jumped the gate and sprinted to the top before they could react, the ensuing confrontation would have been too embarrasing and silly, as would trying to explain my desire by asking permission. I returned years later on the way to climbing at Bowles Rocks and climbed the gate and the grass-covered reservoir (which I guess is higher than the new location of the summit next to someone's house?). Of course I should really go back to visit the new location.
More suggestions for name changes:
Dave Hewitt reckons this summit should be called Ballencrieff Hill, which the OS give as the trig name, although it doesn't appear on any map. However, Helen McLaren's brother's girlfriend was brought up in the area and says everyone just calls it Cairnpapple.
Graham Bunn: I don't know anyone round here who calls the highest point of the North York Moors Urra Moor, or Round Hill either, we know it as Botton Head.
Further opinions on these and other names would welcome.
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